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Feb 4Edited

I'm glad Nate closed with the section of why his own analogy is woefully inappropriate to explain this situation. But he ignores the most important aspect. We do have a real and looming economic and geopolitical conflict, but not with Canada or Mexico or the EU but with China. And who do we need to help us in this conflict, all of the countries Trump is alienating.

International relations cannot be distilled to a turn based model of a simple poker game. Pissing of your allies to get basically nothing in return is a losing strategy in the real game we should we worrying about.

Come on Nate, put in a little more effort to research and think about these things! Historically game theory was almost immediately applied to international relations and there is a rich literature as far back as the 50s in this topic.

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I think you fundamentally do not understand Trump--you are simply not thinking cynically enough.

Here's what Trump knows about any eventual trade deal between the US and any of these other countries: 99% of his voters will not know what is in it. These deals are thousands of pages long and extremely complicated--and crafted by industry lobbyists (Elon Musk for instance) and individual members of Congress who want to bring home goodies for their district.

In other words, for 99% of Trump's voters, whether ANY future deal is a "good one" or not for the US depends entirely on... whatever Fox News says it is. And Fox News is going to say it's great regardless of what is in it.

And Trump knows that. He knows that the content of these deals, and whether or not they are *actually* "good for the USA" is completely irrelevant (and this is nearly impossibly to quantify in any case).

Trump's entire goal--his ONLY goal--is to make sure Fox News has good material for their eventual story on why the new trade deal Trump signed was so awesome.

Put that in your game theory and smoke it :-).

I suspect our trading partners know this, at least implicitly. I suspect they all know that they are only seeing a bunch of political bluster, and that none of it will affect page 2,734, Section CXVII, Part A of the agreement on car batteries for medium trucks during the winter months.

They know what Trump wants--and they know it has nothing to do with any economic outcome for the US--very much unlike that of their own country.

They know, in short, that the American people today are so rich that average voters will never ever vote differently based on what is inside their trade deal, choosing to instead to vote on things like the candidate who makes the people they hate the angriest. This is in sharp contrast to our trading partners who actually have to care about the substance of these deals (for different reasons obviously, between China and the democracies).

Don't be fooled by the reaction by other countries to Trump's "threats"--they know very well the part they are supposed to play in Trump's theater.

It's worth noting, by the way, that this framework perfectly explains what happened in the last week:

1. Trump promised big tariffs on these countries.

2. Trump turned the tariffs on, saying there might be short term pain.

3. The markets went down by 5%.

4. Trump said "just kidding" and rescinded the tariffs.

Is there any action in there, anywhere, where Trump would have been acting based on what is "good for the USA"? (And again, based on the complexity and the double-edged nature of any trade deal term within our economy, **how would you even define that**?).

THIS is the way to understand what is going to happen next with our trade relations, not trying to imagine there is some objective "good (overall) deal" that anybody in Trump's party cares about.

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