Article about how Florida's population statistics demonstrate revealed preferences that go against the media blob narrative. Ok, cool.
The comments: "i haaaaaate florida so much it's the worst place ever, and here's why that reflects well upon ME and why I am so obviously superior in intellect and culture to those stinky people who live there." like congrats, i guess.
Absolutely fascinating and fair article by Nate Silver who works strenuously here to avoid the TDS affliction and weak research methodology of his partisan lefty journalism peers.
The note about California/New York out-migration is a Twainian use of statistics. Sure the averages are "average" or "low" but when the gross numbers are looked at... it becomes more clear. Lots of people are fleeing California and NY...
Florida is one of the last truly wild places in the US—and I’m not talking about the people. The wildlife here is abundant and...frisky. It’s not like rain forests or mountain regions where wildlife prefers to be hidden. Giant birds, reptiles, deer, and aquatic life like dolphin and manatee, all seem to want to say hello.
We have beaches, coasts, springs, rivers, lakes, forests, swamps and some of the most important wetland habitat in the world for migrating birds. Florida is paradise if you love the outdoors, which is doubly good if you prefer to avoid crowds of people.
If you love Florida like Floridians do, help us keep developers from destroying what’s left 💕
As a center-left ideology, I find this article mostly correct. No denying it with the population surge along with the rest of the sunbelt and Texas. People move to where they enjoy living. If I had any legitimate gripes about florida it would be that Florida disproportionately receive subsidized disaster assistance and that retirees spend their social security money down there rather than back in their home states where they originally lived and worked. At the same time it's better that they spend money in Florida and not move to Mexico or another country.
Nate, good article, but if people were really worried about Climate Change they dang sure wouldn't be moving to Florida, and especially the coastal and beach communities in Florida.
The number of hurricanes that hit Florida in a given hurricane season haven't gone up and Panama City Beach and Destin are still not under water. It's hot and humid in the summer in Florida ... but, as someone who lives in south Alabama and who visits Florida often, trust me here - it's always been hot in the summer in Florida. Alabama too.
The winters might be a little milder than they were 50 years ago, but that's a good thing, not a bad thing.
I've considered moving to Florida for the following reasons:
1) I want to send my kids to private school/homeschool and Florida is going to hand me $8k/kid. I have three kids so that's 24k/year.
2) Florida has no income tax.
3) Cost of living, especially housing, is cheaper. There are a lot of exciting housing developments down there.
4) It's a red state with a good economy.
5) It's demographics are pretty good, and its Hispanic population seems to have broken right (Cubans are solid).
The weather, costs of moving, and giving up a low mortgage rates are the only things holding me back. If I could have moved before rates went up I would have.
>I don’t begrudge anyone for being concerned about climate change
This paragraph reflects a common misconception that living in warm environments is bad for the environment, which simply isn't accurate. It takes more yearly energy to heat a home in a cold climate than cool it in a warm one. In theory the environmentally conscious thing to do would be for everybody to move to the sun belt and keep the AC on, ideally powered by the cheap and easy solar we get there.
As a former South Florida resident for 20 years, I'm wondering if most of the folks moving there are dying there. One of the local jokes is that it's 'God's Waiting Room'.
Those top three out-migration states have about eleven people, total, living in them. It seems fairly easy to swing the percentage with just a few people moving.
Notwithstanding the main thrust of the article, the Midwest ranking low on both domestic in- and out-migration was interesting to me. My home states of MN and WI are way down there and that's what specifically caught my eye, but you also see IL and MI and probably some others.
Morewithstanding the article, you wouldn't catch me or my cohort dead in Florida outside of conference season, but self-selecting samples gonna self-select.
IMO the insurance rates have got to push people out sooner or later... my understanding is that most companies have left and the few that remain must/can/do charge whatever they want as costs spiral and competition vanishes. Not sure how the housing market can survive when you can't insure the houses. But who knows?
I despise Florida. I am learning to like Miami. Miami is absolutely NOT like the rest of the state.
My husband, on the other hand, would LOVE for us to move to Florida because he hates Ohio (where we live).
I get it; it's cold in the winter and grey for half the year. But I am weird in that I prefer to bundle up in the cold than wanting to tear my skin off in the heat.
>Finally, there may simply be a certain amount of snobbery here.
I think this has some to do with it, I'm not part of the group you're talking about (given that I'm not American nor a lib/leftist), but I'm culturally and temperamentally close enough, and Miami (even though it's a diverse city with lots of cool places) just represents so much of the worst consumerists excesses of Latin American upper/upper-middle classes. It triggers a (mild) disgust reaction in me, and I'd venture it does the same on many people.
Article about how Florida's population statistics demonstrate revealed preferences that go against the media blob narrative. Ok, cool.
The comments: "i haaaaaate florida so much it's the worst place ever, and here's why that reflects well upon ME and why I am so obviously superior in intellect and culture to those stinky people who live there." like congrats, i guess.
Absolutely fascinating and fair article by Nate Silver who works strenuously here to avoid the TDS affliction and weak research methodology of his partisan lefty journalism peers.
The note about California/New York out-migration is a Twainian use of statistics. Sure the averages are "average" or "low" but when the gross numbers are looked at... it becomes more clear. Lots of people are fleeing California and NY...
Florida is one of the last truly wild places in the US—and I’m not talking about the people. The wildlife here is abundant and...frisky. It’s not like rain forests or mountain regions where wildlife prefers to be hidden. Giant birds, reptiles, deer, and aquatic life like dolphin and manatee, all seem to want to say hello.
We have beaches, coasts, springs, rivers, lakes, forests, swamps and some of the most important wetland habitat in the world for migrating birds. Florida is paradise if you love the outdoors, which is doubly good if you prefer to avoid crowds of people.
If you love Florida like Floridians do, help us keep developers from destroying what’s left 💕
As a center-left ideology, I find this article mostly correct. No denying it with the population surge along with the rest of the sunbelt and Texas. People move to where they enjoy living. If I had any legitimate gripes about florida it would be that Florida disproportionately receive subsidized disaster assistance and that retirees spend their social security money down there rather than back in their home states where they originally lived and worked. At the same time it's better that they spend money in Florida and not move to Mexico or another country.
You mean leftist, not progressive. Theres nothing progressive or liberal about hating the 75% of the country that doesnt align to your beliefs.
Nate, good article, but if people were really worried about Climate Change they dang sure wouldn't be moving to Florida, and especially the coastal and beach communities in Florida.
The number of hurricanes that hit Florida in a given hurricane season haven't gone up and Panama City Beach and Destin are still not under water. It's hot and humid in the summer in Florida ... but, as someone who lives in south Alabama and who visits Florida often, trust me here - it's always been hot in the summer in Florida. Alabama too.
The winters might be a little milder than they were 50 years ago, but that's a good thing, not a bad thing.
I've considered moving to Florida for the following reasons:
1) I want to send my kids to private school/homeschool and Florida is going to hand me $8k/kid. I have three kids so that's 24k/year.
2) Florida has no income tax.
3) Cost of living, especially housing, is cheaper. There are a lot of exciting housing developments down there.
4) It's a red state with a good economy.
5) It's demographics are pretty good, and its Hispanic population seems to have broken right (Cubans are solid).
The weather, costs of moving, and giving up a low mortgage rates are the only things holding me back. If I could have moved before rates went up I would have.
>I don’t begrudge anyone for being concerned about climate change
This paragraph reflects a common misconception that living in warm environments is bad for the environment, which simply isn't accurate. It takes more yearly energy to heat a home in a cold climate than cool it in a warm one. In theory the environmentally conscious thing to do would be for everybody to move to the sun belt and keep the AC on, ideally powered by the cheap and easy solar we get there.
"However, progressive political types seem inclined to write Florida off, often even treating it with disdain."
As famously illustrated here every time an election doesn't go their way there: https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/854/701/622.gif
As a former South Florida resident for 20 years, I'm wondering if most of the folks moving there are dying there. One of the local jokes is that it's 'God's Waiting Room'.
Those top three out-migration states have about eleven people, total, living in them. It seems fairly easy to swing the percentage with just a few people moving.
Notwithstanding the main thrust of the article, the Midwest ranking low on both domestic in- and out-migration was interesting to me. My home states of MN and WI are way down there and that's what specifically caught my eye, but you also see IL and MI and probably some others.
Morewithstanding the article, you wouldn't catch me or my cohort dead in Florida outside of conference season, but self-selecting samples gonna self-select.
IMO the insurance rates have got to push people out sooner or later... my understanding is that most companies have left and the few that remain must/can/do charge whatever they want as costs spiral and competition vanishes. Not sure how the housing market can survive when you can't insure the houses. But who knows?
I despise Florida. I am learning to like Miami. Miami is absolutely NOT like the rest of the state.
My husband, on the other hand, would LOVE for us to move to Florida because he hates Ohio (where we live).
I get it; it's cold in the winter and grey for half the year. But I am weird in that I prefer to bundle up in the cold than wanting to tear my skin off in the heat.
>Finally, there may simply be a certain amount of snobbery here.
I think this has some to do with it, I'm not part of the group you're talking about (given that I'm not American nor a lib/leftist), but I'm culturally and temperamentally close enough, and Miami (even though it's a diverse city with lots of cool places) just represents so much of the worst consumerists excesses of Latin American upper/upper-middle classes. It triggers a (mild) disgust reaction in me, and I'd venture it does the same on many people.