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People don't want to live in a world where pronouns, crime, trannies and DEI hires rule the day.

Sorry, normalcy always wins. You're not special.

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Feudalism was once considered normalcy. Slavery was once considered normalcy.

Women’s subjugation was once considered normalcy.

I’m not super optimistic about this election but I do take joy in knowing that your hatred will lose eventually, as it always has.

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Human subjugation is not, in fact, analogous to one political party telling you that someone less qualified than you deserves a job more than you because of the color of their skin, or that your daughter needs to compete with biological men.

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I think the majority of unqualified people that are actually getting hired are from nepotism or connections, not DEI. I think not wanting transgender women in women’s sports is a potentially defensible position depending on how you go about it but the person I was replying to didn’t mention that, they just used a slur lmao.

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> I think not wanting transgender women in women’s sports is a potentially defensible position

Transgender women competing in women's sports is an indefensible position.

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Brian said, "Transgender women competing in women's sports is an indefensible position."

Men. Just call them what they are, men. Men trying to perpetrate a fraud, yes, but still just men, unless they are eunuchs, which most of them are not. It's time, in my opinion, to stop with the terrible confusion that this fake Woke labeling engenders.

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A eunich in drag still isn't a woman.

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Your transphobia doesn't really win you any arguments.

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This is cruel. You just don't understand and that qualifies you to make judgments on them? What you don't like is a really dumb thing. If everyone was such a stickler for conformity life would just be boring and we'd be living in some horror movie from the 50s. Which some people still are, thanks to you.

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Failing to recognize that transgender women are women is an indefensible position. Cause, you know, science and medicine and stuff.

I'm not for transgender women competing in women's sports. I am for women competing in them, though, regardless of the sex they were assigned at birth.

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I'm a woman. Had a baby and everything. Some guy eagerly becoming a eunuch chemically and through surgery ---- have to tell you, that's no woman. If you are confused about that, I'm guessing you are single.

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Is this supposed to be understandable and logical. It appears to be the doublespeak usually associated with those who want to claim that basic biology is unscientific, yet in other areas proclaim that we should “accept the science” espoused by charlatans such as Fauci.

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but who cares? what is it to you? you're not even a young woman. do you even watch women's sports? this is not the purview of the Federal Government.

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Likely so depending on the sport

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A mainstream party telling you that men can become women is absolutely one of many valid considerations to factor into your vote. Such a position is incompatible with reason and dangerous to the future of western civilization.

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Saying that biological men can bare children or being unable to define a basic biological term (women) makes a political party seem absolutely extreme and invalidates any actual good points they may put across.

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Let me guess. You’re not a young woman.

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Agreed completely. The sports thing is so minor an issue to most people, but I think most of us want women’s sports to be fair. We don’t want to make trans people feel ostracized such that their typically high suicide rate and other dangers and hardships remain

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Maybe these fake women guys should just straighten out and fly right.

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Maybe you should tell them to stop being trans. I am sure that will work. Do you think that if these people could just decide to be comfortable in the body they were born in, they wouldn't take the opportunity? They deal with such a difficult life, not to mention the near constant harassment from trolls like you.

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It is indicative of a broader mindset.

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"I think the majority of unqualified people that are actually getting hired are from nepotism or connections, not DEI." statistics from major corporations do not support this. They all have DEI quotas to meet and are regularly hiring middle-of-the-pack people due to their skin color rather than from among the most qualified

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ie, a simple example of this is that people with diagnosed mental and atttention disorders are being actively sought as hires to be TSA controllers (the role that lands planes). This was extensively reported on the right a few months ago

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Transexuals who never got on board with the trans identity ideology still call themselves trannies. If anything, "birthing persons" is more of a slur because women never called themselves that. But I bet you don't care about the double standard.

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Benjamin, you are not the arbiter of what's defensible.

Oy vey.

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Your hate is blinding you. The world needs you, dig deep and help.

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No parties are telling anyone that. That moment has passed among the majority of democrats, who decide things based on facts and a desire to help those in need via equitable and non-discriminatory practices. The recent manifestation of DEI has been deconstructed quickly even at colleges and stuff. But it’s reasonable to try to consider hardships faced as a strength. And pragmatism above all.

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I don’t mean to invalidate diversity, equity, and inclusion, all three being very important to me. I guess what I’m saying is it’s unclear if we’ve managed to perfect policies such that those things are met, even recent ones. according to things I’ve read at least

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what is this a response to? Women are still being subjugated. Someone look up NON-PARTISAN statistics on who is still receiving unequal treatment in hiring by percentage, with people with the same qualifications but different names. You will see that white people, especially white men, are still doing pretty darn well. And all of this subjugation is actively being sought to be restored by many in the GOP, who really don't care about this, and really only act in the interest of big business and corporations because these heartless, profit-driven organizations--including highly pernicious ones who promote war and exploitation for sheer money--who don't care about their employees more than they are required by law-shareholders in the top ten percent or higher of the population---but only because these people bestow the representatives with power--or else they're some kind of traditionalist who is wildly misinterpreting Jesus's message to mostly just mean women should be forced out of having any say or role in society beyond being baby machines and unpaid laborers for their husbands... But my basic point is, efforts to equalize things for job applicants or whatnot have not been perfect but have helped. The more we get rid of discrimination, the more stable and functional our society as a whole is. But this isn't even something someone like Kamala Harris would even be in charge of. And if you have personally experienced, or feel you have, discrimination in hiring, that isn't okay, but there are legal ways that are more effective at making changes to this than voting for a leader who could actually give two craps about anyone who votes for him that doesn't make him wealthier and feel like a big shot and have absurd and frightening amounts of power for someone that selfish.

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It is much more plausible that the people calling for reparations and redistribution are the ones motivated by hatred and resentment.

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I don’t think that’s true. I think all humans are susceptible to both of those and that being fair, compassionate, and peace-minded is best for promoting literally everyone’s holistic wellness, ability to act wholeheartedly toward all others. Things like trauma have ramifications and it’s very much worth looking into latest, profound scientific discoveries on PTSD

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Fact: no people of African descent have better living standards than those in America.

They should pay, not get paid. They've gotten plenty.

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Wowwww.

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Think about that. Maybe read about Africa more also, the effects of colonization. But Africa doesn’t equal Black. Racism entails repeated scars. But every invalidation causes trauma, and so have yours. There is Trauma with a capital T, like from intense singular violence, but science has now shown that repeated invalidation or any kind of wounding whether from prejudice or parental lack of concern or dismissal (or abuse) affects the same nerves and has very similar effects. The effect is called “emotional disregulation,” which is when your prefrontal cortex’s reasonable and non-fear-centered ability to control you is overrides by fight, flight, fear, or freeze. We need to be inclusive of all people’s sensitivity so we can all treat each other well through the many tribulations that impact all of us where our neighbor’s help is a boon. When I said “Wowww,” for example that was invalidating. I only meant to suggest you think or read and feel about slavery’s reality day-to-day. Read Toni Morrison’s Beloved, or watch a documentary. These people worked with zero pay rights (including to a family) physically so hard, no breaks, painfully, their entire lives literally, and bore constant and various abuse to enable our country to prosper. That is not something anyone including you would actually conclude some group of people was better off ultimately for having done.

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Speaking of why many people in Africa are getting the short end of the stick, this year's Noble Memorial Prize in Economics speaks a lot to that:

https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/economic-sciences/2024/press-release/ Hint - it has a lot to do with styles of European colonization. Come to think of it, so does the political system of many US states.

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Bermuda disagrees with your fake fact.

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It will never be normal to chop off your penis.

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Oh, come on --- it's the DEI Way of the Democrat. Every guy has a right to -- do that -- and call himself a woman, see. And then we're all supposed to be forced to cooperate with that fraud. Good luck with that.

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It's not some kind of rampant problem. Just try to let go of it, and it won't do you any harm, I really feel. But people on this very chat are being harassed without being known at all.

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It’s not harassment. It’s just disagreement.

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Not if you’re trying to stop them from getting medical help. And this discussion has been harassing, it just has

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That's funny, I thought circumcision is considered quite normal.

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Which is probably why it's an extremely rare surgery that's only done in very specific circumstances

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You wouldn't mind it being banned, then, since it's barely going to affect anyone.

And if you would mind, then you shouldn't gaslight others that they aren't allowed to care about an issue that you care about.

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I do take joy in knowing communism will lose eventually as it always has.

Meritocracy and freedom made this country great, not the nanny state, reparations and a government with its boot on the throat of companies and citizens.

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Yours is essentially the argument that all change is good. Not so. The modern left’s ideas are increasingly just objectively bad. DEI for instance. King was right in the 60s when he was pushing for color blind policies; DEI goes backwards from that.

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I take joy in knowing communism will lose as it always has.

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Astounding that you are so unaware you are living in the past. Best wishes for making it to the 90s one day my friend.

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The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward my opinions.

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🙄

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Normal, like back when women were property and brown people knew their place, right? You guys aren't conservatives, you are regressives.

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I think your got those backwards: probably should've said when brown people were property and women knew their place. But hey, when you're losing an argument, just shout that the other guy is a racist misogynist nazi fascist... or whatever.

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Him: You want women to be property.

You: No no no, I just want them to know their place.

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How dare we suggest they are misogynists.

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No, just regressive.

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Is that "know their place" comment serious? Because that is pretty much the exact definition of misogyny. You're describing yourself as a misogynist...

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this entire discussion has been appalingly like that. I started out thinking people were just angry and lashing out. Now it seems like being prejudiced is a weirdly prominent value for people who are pro-Trump. I thought you guys were subscribers to this because you acknowledge the importance of rigorous, data-driven skepticism and the hesitancy to make sweeping judgments without even suggesting you might be in error. I guess that was a much more sweeping judgment than I thought.

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yeah although women have been property and sex slaves throughout history

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Chopping off one's penis is not normal.

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Neither is hemodialysis, but we do it when necessary to save a life. Did you know that the majority of transgender women don't get bottom surgery and would thus still have a penis? Why do you care what is in a random woman's pants that is walking down the street. Weirdo.

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Ok? I don't want those men pretending to be women anywhere near the locker rooms or bathrooms my daughters use. You guys keep pushing this but it's one of many reasons that Trump is about to win every swing state.

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Guess what? Your daughter also doesn't care and also thinks you are weird.

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I can tell you don't have kids, increasingly common in the party that is anti-children. No, kids are naturally deeply disturbed by men pretending to be women, especially in a personal space like a bathroom. This is a natural instinct, as I haven't discussed it with them at all, but there have been instances where they were on their guard around people like that.

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I always find it interesting that it's transgender women who get the most hate. The fact that most conservatives don't give a flip about transgender men shows that their hatred is driven by misogyny. They're fine with a "woman" (which is how they view it) becoming more masculine, but not with a "man" becoming more feminine.

My very conservative dad will use a transgender man's preferred pronouns and name, but not a transgender woman's. It makes absolutely no sense.

That said, I do understand that transgender men also suffer a lot of discrimination, and it's not my attention (edit: "intention") to minimize that.

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As I mentioned above it is because transgender women scare them. They are afraid that they will find themselves attracted to something with a penis and that will just shatter their masculinity and their entire worldview of sexuality and opinion of themselves. That is how fragile their masculinity is.

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I mean I’m not that sure most cis-gender men are entirely good with “masculine” women, but regardless, it’s a tough subject to discuss given how socially constructed (for thousands upon thousands of years, in varied ways across many cultures “masculinity” or “femininity” itself have been.) It’s all a bit of a doozy trying to find a more loving and inclusive way to describe ourselves and others out of the language we’ve largely inherited.

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100% agree. I wasn't sure if I should write the comment that you're replying too, because it was such an oversimplification. Thank you for sharing!

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That's easy: I care a lot about whether a man is pretending to be a woman. Gender is the FIRST thing people identify about other people approaching, because men are so dangerous --- to men and especially to women. Sorry, guys, but you know it's true. (Age and race are the next things we quickly identify, and then go on to physical condition, etc.) This is something people need to know accurately; and if a man is pretending to be a woman, he's not only dangerous ipso facto, but also is crazy as a hoot owl and plainly dangerous for that reason.

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That’s so mean

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Why is that your go to response lol.

So random and just betrays your lack of substance.

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Uhh excuse me, we prefer “reactionaries”. Please respect how we identify.

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>You guys aren't conservatives, you are regressives.

boohooo

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c'mon. like, why be so judgmental about people you probably don't even know and who probably never harmed you? did someone hurt you in some way? being excluded is a horrific experience, and it is just normal in a free society to let people be themselves, and not go around being mean all the time

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😂😭

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i'm a tranny. i don't want to rule the day, i just want to live

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Sounds like a you problem.

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all i advocate for is a smaller government that doesn't violate my autonomy, is that too much to ask?

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I don't really care. Sad for the gays you guys think you're part of the same club, though.

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we're not, and i know that. i have an illness that can be cured and you heartlessly and callously throw me and thousands more to the side because the pundit you watch happened to think it was immoral or something. why shouldn't i get the care i need? can you even give an actual reason other than some vague LGB bullshit?

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most anti-trans stuff that comes from the right is directed toward things like minors and sports right? what are they doing that violates your autonomy?

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sending love and total acceptance your way. i think this will all get better, someday.

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You all know this is some fake troll poster, don't you? BOGUS!!

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what about other people's autonomy? or is your autonomy defined by wanting to do away with others' autonomy?

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what autonomy of others is being done away with?

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never mind, yes, I was confused. we are in agreement! sorrrrry!

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republicans have taken away women's rights. it's not a small thing. it's a whole entire life and also at least nine months of highly invasive transformation. why don't you imagine this happening to you if you're a man. imagine the government forcing your body to undergo all that. go to all the appointments. gain all that weight. suffer all the things, like nausea, etc. possibly suffer complications giving birth. then, after that, it's not at all easy to give a baby up, especially if the father isn't with you. how about we load all of that on the father? but does this happen? no. 18 years and more of your life doing so many things, and likely having to take off work and getting behind in your career or not even being able to go to college like my cousin. what happens to the man in this case? very, very little. I'd like the government to force any man to go through literally every physical, emotional, and financial/time transformation it is forcing us to do before considering outlawing abortion. do they? no. because they don't think women NEED autonomy of this kind. "don't have sex"? please. I wish they forced that on all of us. Men are the ones who need it the most. Then they'd see. What right does the government have to be such a moralistic dickwad? Eh??? And, of course, autonomy of trans people to extricate them from horrific discomfort and depression by a procedure that really is the cure. That intimately affects trans people on a daily, hourly, minute-by-minute basis. What kind of question is that??? And what rights are YOU concerned about? The right to be religious? To have a gun? Those aren't being taken away, aren't threatened. The right to religiously judge others is another backwards concept that people portray as some kind of right being taken away--but this country is not about persecuting people because of religion or lack thereof. The second amendment isn't even being applied reasonably by DEMOCRATS. "Regulated militias" or psychos who seem to think they need machine guns because some outlying group or maybe just a class of first graders deserve to have THEIR autonomies taken away. I'm just so confused as to how you could wonder, "whose autonomy."

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Well thanks for thinking over half the population aka women deserve no such consideration. This is all perception on your part. What rights of yours have been taken away????? And I’m sorry but the right to a psycho automatic weapon doesn’t count. That means a right to mow down hundreds of people in seconds. What about their rights eh?

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What? How can you say this? It’s a clinical problem. It’s a matter of suffering in one’s own skin. You don’t DECIDE to do this. Just let people be.

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Just want to say that I hope you know you're not totally alone and that there are millions of people in the US who support your right and your fight for your rights! As one of them I recognize you fighting the good fight here (to just simply exist) and hope you're in a safe blue state or can get to one where you will find lots of friendly faces.

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If you were born male I don’t want you competing in women’s sports.

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i was born male, and trust me, the sanctity of women's sports is safe from me.

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Crime went up under the Trump admin and has come down under the Biden admin

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You miss the FBI crime statistics revision, or something?

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Yes, I have absolutely no idea of whatever right-wing conspiracy theory psychobabble you are referring to

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Not sure "real clear investigations" is as mainstream as you say, and you realize that is data from 2022 right? 2023 data still shows a decline?

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It is quite mainstream, and there are quite a few other sources that you might like better. Your lack of knowledge is not, in fact dispositive.

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Right: This is what a real unbiased report says:” FBI data shows the rate of violent crime fell by a quarter over the past two decades “ Of course, this requires a deep dive instead of the low info/Fox reader mindset. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4glxxreed7o

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For now

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This is widely known and reported lol.

Also, you definitely do not know what the word 'psychobabble' means.

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I'm pretty sure that when "psychobabble" is used incorrectly... it is itself an example of psychobabble. Fun irony there.

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Your statistics are out of date. The original attempt to hide the increase in crime has now been restated. Sorry to inform you of the facts. You must watch and read the biased MSM which refused to report the revisions, it didn’t help with their narrative.

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Yes! I just read today that the FBI stats have been revised to say violent crime increased by 4.22% since 2022 ---- instead of being 2% down. These FBI LIARS. I guess they were hoping to get through the election with the fake stats and help Harris win.

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